Dr. Rob Lion | Professor, Consultant & Business Owner
- Early frustration with inefficient, generic training programs
- Realization that training alone doesn’t improve performance
Podcast
Overview
In this episode of The Brand Called You, host Ashutosh Garg speaks with Dr. Rob Lion—professor, consultant, business owner, and author of The Science of Strategy and Soul. This conversation explores how leaders can blend evidence-based strategy with deeply human-centered leadership to unlock sustainable performance.
Dr. Lion challenges conventional leadership wisdom and introduces practical frameworks rooted in organizational psychology. From diagnosing root causes before acting, to rethinking motivation, accountability, trust, and vulnerability, this episode offers actionable insights for leaders at every level.
Whether you lead a multinational organization, a small business, or a nonprofit, you’ll find practical tools to improve culture, performance, and human connection at work.
What First Drew Dr. Rob Lion to Leadership?
- Early frustration with inefficient, generic training programs
- Realization that training alone doesn’t improve performance
- The need for context-specific, human-centered solutions
Challenging Conventional Leadership Wisdom
- Shift toward a contrarian, research-driven approach
- Critique of oversimplified leadership advice
- Emphasis on nuance, context, and humanity
Strategy and Soul in Leadership
- Strategy: Clear frameworks and decision-making systems
- Soul: Emotional intelligence, vulnerability, and human connection
- True leadership integrates both
Diagnosing Before Prescribing
- Treating symptoms wastes time and money
- Diagnosis uncovers root causes
- Targeted interventions drive sustainable change
Rethinking Motivation
- Motivation goes beyond intrinsic vs extrinsic
- Four factors: intrinsic, aligned, imposed, extrinsic
- Alignment creates long-term engagement, not incentives alone
Accountability, Trust, and Culture
- Lack of accountability creates organizational stress
- Difficult conversations are often avoided
- Vulnerability builds trust and enables honest dialogue
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Learn more about Dr Rob Lion: LinkedIn
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- Early frustration with inefficient, generic training programs
- Realization that training alone doesn’t improve performance
- The need for context-specific, human-centered solutions
