Insights with Janeen Gelbart, CEO & Co-founder of Indiggo

Insights with Janeen Gelbart, CEO & Co-founder of Indiggo

• Exposure to both positive and challenging leadership experiences while living in South Africa, Europe, and the US.
• Early curiosity about what drives leaders’ actions and motivations.

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In this enlightening episode of The Brand Called You, host Ashutosh Garg speaks with Janeen Gelbart, CEO and Co-founder of Indiggo, about the multifaceted nature of leadership, the impact of AI, and Indiggo’s approach to measuring Return on Leadership (ROL).

The conversation explores cultural influences on leadership, the importance of clarity and alignment, the limitations of traditional leadership metrics, the role of technology in leadership science, and the enduring importance of human connection in an AI-driven world.

00:51: How Have Different Cultures Shaped Leadership?

• Exposure to both positive and challenging leadership experiences while living in South Africa, Europe, and the US.
• Early curiosity about what drives leaders’ actions and motivations.

01:35: How Has Psychology Influenced Your Understanding of Leadership?

• Observing human nature and the difference between people’s limitations and possibilities.
• Applying a beginner’s mind when interacting with leaders perceived as “difficult.”
• Creating space for individuals to connect with their values and potential.

03:15: How Do Authenticity, Clarity, and Action Guide Decision-Making in Uncertainty?

• Clear values and purpose serve as anchors during difficult decisions.
• Making decisions faster and better while accepting that mistakes can happen.
• Embracing failure as part of leadership.

04:21: What Is Indiggo, and What Work Do You Do There?

• Indiggo focuses on measuring Return on Leadership, a multidimensional leadership metric.
• Uses AI and live data to assess collective leadership rather than individual personalities.
• Partnered with Wedbush to launch an ETF based on ROL, EXEQ.

05:57: Why Measure Leadership Through Execution Rather Than Personality or Style?

• Insights from working with thousands of leaders show that execution is often the weak link.
• Many organizations excel at strategy but struggle to translate it into action.
• Indiggo developed actionable and measurable structures to improve execution.

07:01: What Is “Return on Leadership,” and How Is It Measured?

• ROL represents the recurring value leaders create for their organizations.
• Focuses on purpose, strategic clarity, alignment, and focus.
• Relies on objective, real-time data rather than traditional surveys.

07:53: How Does ROL Differ from Traditional Survey-Based Methodologies?

• Reduces the biases and subjectivity associated with traditional surveys.
• Uses ongoing, live data for continuous assessment.
• Provides current, objective insights into leadership effectiveness.

09:00: What Are Common Misconceptions About Measuring Leadership?

• Many organizations focus primarily on outcome metrics, such as whether goals were achieved, often looking at results too late.
• Collective leadership needs to be set up for ongoing success rather than evaluated only retrospectively.
• Proactive structures and systems are essential, not just end results.

10:04: What Is the Biggest Execution Blind Spot for Leaders?

• Assuming everyone has clarity and alignment around priorities.
• Even small teams can leave meetings with different understandings of what was discussed.
• Large organizations require continuous effort to maintain alignment and focus.

10:54: What Drove Indiggo’s Transformation into a Technology Company?

• A commitment to measurable action inspired Indiggo’s technology transformation.
• Technology enables real-time data collection and more agile insights.
• The team is implementing AI-powered solutions to support leadership measurement and development.

11:37: How Is Technology Changing Leadership Science?

• Technology enables broader and faster access to relevant knowledge and information.
• Leaders can access insights more quickly to support strategic decision-making.
• Greater access to information can enhance agility and adaptability in volatile environments.

12:31: How Is AI Reshaping Leadership?

• AI enables faster access to information and supports quicker decision-making.
• Automation allows teams to accomplish more with fewer resources.
• AI creates new opportunities for organizations to build, innovate, and adapt.

13:24: Can AI Replace Human Leadership Coaches?

• AI can provide useful advice but does not replicate human emotional intelligence and connection.
• Human coaches can interpret body language, demonstrate empathy, and help inspire potential.
• Human connection remains an important part of effective leadership coaching.

14:07: Which Human Leadership Capabilities Will Become More Valuable in an AI World?

• Reading and inspiring people.
• Motivating teams and fostering innovation.
• Building culture and human connection.
• Helping employees thrive in the workplace.

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Janeen Gelbart highlights how AI can help leaders operate faster, access more information, and become more agile, while emphasizing that effective leadership still requires the ability to read, inspire, and connect with people.

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• Janeen Gelbart is the CEO and Co-founder of Indiggo, focusing on leadership effectiveness and organizational performance.
• She explores the multifaceted nature of leadership, culture, clarity, and alignment in modern organizations.
• Janeen champions Return on Leadership (ROL) as a way to measure leadership impact beyond traditional business metrics.