Lt Gen PJS Pannu | PVSM | AVSM | VSM | Fmr Deputy Chief Indian Integrated Defence Services |

Lt Gen PJS Pannu | PVSM | AVSM | VSM | Fmr Deputy Chief Indian Integrated Defence Services |

• Former Deputy Chief Indian Integrated Defence Staff (Operations) responsible for coordinating military operations of the three services. 
• He was responsible for raising the Defence Space and Cyber Agencies, as well as the Special Forces Division.

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In this episode, PJS Pannu talks about his leadership style and gives valuable insights into how the Indian army is preparing itself to combat China and Pakistan.  

00:47- About Lt Gen PJS Pannu and his journey.

• Former Deputy Chief Indian Integrated Defence Staff (Operations) responsible for coordinating military operations of the three services. 
• He was responsible for raising the Defence Space and Cyber Agencies, as well as the Special Forces Division.
• He conducted the first-ever space exercise in India nicknamed IndspaceX in 2019. 
• He served three tenures in the Military Operations Directorate at Army Headquarters and on two UN missions, Mozambique and Sudan both as Chief Operations Officer. 
• He was the Chairman of the Executive Committee of CENJOWS (Centre for Joint Warfare Studies) and USI (United Services Institute) of India, both premier Defence Think Tanks.

03:00- About your leadership style.

• Leadership style changes as you grow. From a platoon commander to becoming a three-star general, every role demands different kinds of expertise. 
• At the top level, you are creating conditions for success. When you are a junior leader, dependency on a small team rises. 
• A commanding officer works on 99 styles.  

12:01- Do you see India developing a space force as a part of defence?

• In The militarisation of space If you can dominate the space, from space you can dominate the ground.
• The three paradigms of space include space warfare, space-based programs, and space-supported operations. 
• Space warfare means what satellites versus satellites and what happens above the carbon line. 
• Space-based programs: Whatever is happening in space is used to alter the course of warfare or decision-making on the ground.
• Space-supported operations: everything is happening on the ground; space remains medium. 

28:39- About your book, The Power of Future Machines.

• The Power of Future Machines is a collection of essays by experts exploring the future impact of Artificial Intelligence (Al) in various fields of human endeavour. 
• Building upon the dialectical and analytical framework provided in the book Artificial Intelligence and the Future of Power: 5 Battlegrounds, experts from various fields (military, geopolitics, strategic affairs, physics, policy and others) engage and describe for a wider audience the potential impact of Al. 
• Given their specific vantage points and deriving from their areas of expertise, this anthology makes for a fascinating read. 
• The essays discuss how Ai will affect policy making, both in narrow areas of expertise as well as its effect on humanity at large. 
• Aimed at policymakers, experts and also a broader audience, these varied perspectives on Al add something vital to the current skewed Al discourse.

31:25- Lessons from the conversation.

• The leader must know to be able to show the way to instill confidence and to have conviction.
• Loyalty comes only if you have given your people human dignity.
• Army is not a profession; it is a way of life. The practice goes much beyond what people see from the outside. 

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• Former Deputy Chief Indian Integrated Defence Staff (Operations) responsible for coordinating military operations of the three services. 
• He was responsible for raising the Defence Space and Cyber Agencies, as well as the Special Forces Division.
• He conducted the first-ever space exercise in India nicknamed IndspaceX in 2019. 
• He served three tenures in the Military Operations Directorate at Army Headquarters and on two UN missions, Mozambique and Sudan both as Chief Operations Officer. 
• He was the Chairman of the Executive Committee of CENJOWS (Centre for Joint Warfare Studies) and USI (United Services Institute) of India, both premier Defence Think Tanks.